Question about an odd situation-Replies Appreciated 3b6n66

Scenario: Final 8 players at a Texas Hold'em Bar Tournament Freeroll Event.
Players take turns dealing and play was resuming after a 10 minute break period.



Situation: big blind.
The next 5 players fold.
The UTG decision.


Question: Is the dealers hand automatically dead when it is placed on top of the deck?
Is UTG then awarded the pot


Actual result at the table: The Tournament manager allowed the UTG if he called the hand dead.

Intention of the dealer was clear to those present. His obvious mistake was also clear. Was the manager's decision correct?
What would you have done as the dealer?
Is there anything in normal rules to cover this situation?

If this were a casino would have this covered in their T&Cs, I know this because I played recently in Brighton and was sensible enough to read their policies before playing.

Since the player who shoved is the button here, but honest. Fair play to him.

It's interesting actually that the manager said that if dealer.

I think it's either a UTG's discretion if there is no doubt.

The action the manager took is questionable.

Thanks for your thoughtful response on this. I wrestled with the rightness or wrongness of the situation. I came to the conclusion that when odd ball situations arise which no established rule adequately addresses then the manager has the final decision. break!

Thanks for your thoughtful response on this. I wrestled with the rightness or wrongness of the situation. I came to the conclusion that when odd ball situations arise which no established rule adequately addresses then the manager has the final decision. break!

You're welcome.

I came to the conclusion that when odd ball situations arise which no established rule adequately addresses then the manager has the final decision.

This is certainly the case. However, if they have any sort of written policy beyond the basic rules of poker, this should be covered.

technically UTGs hand should have been killed after the last card was delt. at least b&bank

also your bar had a poker tourney manager thats odd or did i miss read that

Next time you're at one of these games, you should emphatically suggest that someone volunteer to be the permanent deal every single time.

The right thing for the "manager" to do here would be to keep the guy's hand live. That has very little to do with poker rules, and more about what's operationally practical for running a poker game of this nature.

If you're going to be a rules sticker over what's mucked and not mucked, then you can't be letting the common-folk dealer, then there really shouldn't be a problem. You just accept that funky shit is gonna happen when 10 different people touch the deck, and move on.

It would have been a bad decision for the muck the guy's hand and basically bust him out of the tournament.

Yet somehow, unbelievably, the manager made an even worse decision. Leaving it up to the floor manager in the first place if this is what's going to happen?

It's mind-blowing that the m sure peer pressure was heavily in effect.

And as a general overall note, I'd say that your concern over what the "right thing to do" here does not compute with your presence in this game in the first place. If it's important to you that the game be run professionally, then this is probably not the place to be spending your time.